Do you love the South? Do you love the Confederacy? Do you love the South? Do you love the Confederacy? Do you support the idea of Southern Independence and the restoration of the Confederacy? Did you know you could strike a blow for Southern Independence and all you have to do is —- nothing? That’s right I said nothing. The occupying government and their citizens are anticipating the day of THEIR election on which THEIR next president will be chosen. Those of you who have read my articles before know that usually I like to give you some information and or something to think about. Here’s your information etc for this piece. A vote cast by either a US or CS citizen in the occupier’s election really only determines how that state’s electors are supposed to vote when the electoral college meets following the general election. The electoral college consists of 538 total electoral votes and it takes 270 of said votes to elect THEIR president. Here’s what is important about that. Of the 538 189 (35%) belong to the states of the Southern Confederacy including the territory of Arizona. Here’s how you strike a blow for Southern Independence on THEIR Election Day. Do Nothing. Do not vote. Imagine what would happen if nobody in the occupied South went to the polls to vote in the occupier’s election. No one would win the 189 electoral votes belonging to the South. Without our votes it would be difficult for anyone to win. The election could even get thrown into their House of Representatives. If you just can’t help yourself and have to vote out of force of habit vote only in your local and state elections. Vote only to rid yourselves of the carpetbaggers scalawags and interlopers you have foolishly put in office who are now running your state’s occupying governments. When we gain our freedom we will need to have people sympathetic to our cause in the occupying government to have a smooth transition between governments. Remember however that the best course of action is to stay home and do nothing. Spend the day with your family. Watch Netflix. Watch the news. If no one in the South went to the polls the reaction in the liberal media would be priceless not to mention fun to watch. There is also one other thing you can do, one other vote you can cast. Download your citizenship affirmation form. Fill it out and thereby cast your vote in favor of the South and for the restoration of our Confederacy and a return to our true government. God Save The South! Deo Vindice! By, Tom Pinckley

CSA Voter Affirmation/Registration office opens in the Republic of Texas CSA Texas State affirmation/registration office… State Registrar William Goar PO Box  532015 Grand Prairie Texas [75053]

Why CSA Citizens Are Not 14th Amendment U.S. Citizens The constitutions created under the 1868 Fourteenth Amendment system, both state and National, setup a system of law based on custom and usage that applies to the false nation created under that system. (The United States were not a “Nation, each State was a Nation, and each are members in a union) However, those “State” CONstitutions which include the U.S. CONstitution as amended post 1865 are expost facto laws which cannot apply to CSA citizens as the Southern States that legally and lawfully seceded in the years of 1860 and 1861 and then formed the Confederate States of America cannot be bound under any expost facto law established by the occupying government. In short CSA citizens cannot be 14th amendment U.S. citizens. CSA citizens do not grant consent to the occupation, any participation is that of submission to the occupation via the coercion and duress of war and unlawful acts of the occupying government, such is not consent but are acts of submission. According to Johnson’s Dictionary of the English language (1755) edition a…… Ci’tizen. ti.f. [ci-vis, Lat. cittyen, Fr.] 1. A freeman of a city ; not a foreigner ; not a slave. Su BJECT. »x./ [fujet, French] I. One who lives under the dominion of another. FREEMAN. One who is in the enjoyment of the right to do whatever he pleases, not forbidden by law. Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 1856 PERSON. Persons are sometimes divided into free persons and slaves. Freemen are those who have preserved their natural liberty, that is to say, who have the right of doing what is not forbidden by the law. A slave is one who is in the power of a master to whom he belongs. Slaves are sometimes ranked not with persons but things. Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 1856 CSA Citizens are freemen, NOT slaves.

Ninth Session of The Third Confederate Congress

Nicholas Talaga – Tennessee
Paul Townsend – Georgia
Jessie Chisholm – Texas
Mark Davis – Kentucky
Scott Cleghorn – Arkansas
James Everett – Chief Justice
Mark King – Potential Justice(Kentucky)
Mr. MacDonald – Mississippi

NT: We’ll open the meeting with a prayer. Anybody looking to volunteer? Mr. Cleghorn, would you be available?

SC: Yes, I’ll be available. (unintelligible) father thank you for this day and for each day of blessings from you Lord and each and every one of us here and bless this meeting father and just please guide, guard and direct our us in this meeting and as we advance to restore and liberate our beloved country, the Confederate States of America and just bless each and every one of us. Amen

(Amens)

NT: Well, at this point in time we have the old business; the old business was voting the TX state Representative of course Mr. Chisholm.

JC: Yes, sir.

NT:  I was saying that some of the old business was voting yay or nay on you for the Texas representative which that business was concluded and I guess we can go in order see if anyone had any had any let’s see if I can get my mind straight here, pretty much old business was concluded so we can move forward to see if there’s any new business and go in as far as alphabetical order.

NT: Mr. Hudson of Alabama did you have any new business? Oh, wait, no Mr. Hudson isn’t here. Sorry.

NT: Mr. Cleghorn of Arkansas did you have any new business?

SC: Not at this time.

NT: Alright, move on to Mr. Townsend of Georgia.

PT: Nothing new at this time sir.

NT: Alright. Mr. Davis of Kentucky?

KY: No business at this time.

NT: Alright, Mr. MacDonald of Mississippi?

Mac: Nothing nothing to report here.

NT: Alright. That would kinda jump over to myself, Mr. Talaga of Tennessee. I’ve got some new news … (unknown sound) What’s that?

JC: I was wondering this is Texas. I was did I miss something? Did you ask me if I had any business? Or you hadn’t gotten to me yet?

NT: You’d be the next one sir.

JC: I’m sorry. I apologise. Cause I do have business.

NT: Good, good. One of the points I was going to bring up was I recently attended an Oath keepers meeting and had actually spoken with the Oath keepers leader of Tennessee and have managed to strike out an alliance with them. We’re generally on the same goal. The only drawback with them, of course, is they’ve got an oath to the US Constitution. But other than that their same basic goal is liberty and that is one avenue that I believe may be of assistance to strike up more alliances. You just have to check and find your local chapters and then get a hold of the leader of each respective state.

NT: Another direction I’m starting to go is contacting the county sheriff. I have to contact the Robertson County sheriff just yet but I have been going from police officer to police officer introducing myself and handing them my business card and giving them my phone number and all. Basically making us known to the different police departments bit by bit.

NT: I definitely wanted to make a note that each state’s progression will definitely be congruent to the efforts that each representative brings forward so we have to remember to not get frustrated with some of the different paces we’re all trying to pull because if each person of each state can only do what they can do. Basically that’s make our own paths, that’s for sure. Whether it’s creating banners, flying flags, just talking to people educating them. Most of all, it’s just you know just don’t be afraid or hesitant to talk to people you know just to educate and speak. The other thing is just trying to find opportunities in your local area. Just to make yourself known so people know anybody of like mind as we are will know how to find us how to contact us. That’s the biggest thing. I’ve been just making different contacts through Facebook and there’s actually been people that said, younger people that don’t even know anything about the Confederacy, the history or anything about us so we still have a lot of work to do. We cannot rely on just Facebook. There’s got to be person to person contact that makes the biggest impression. As far as that, anybody have any comments on the new business I’m bringing to the table there?

U1: We might…

NT: Yes

U1: I know I’m a new comer to this and I’m not a member of the representative party but I might as a servant to the cause suggest that you might we might try to create some seminars, power point presentations that we could travel with to county to county in our states and put on a presentation to people illustrating to them today how what we’re suffering today is just an extension of what we might call the Federalist vision as opposed to the states’ rights vision and what that’s cost us up to this day. You know everything you don’t like about Obamacare for example is traceable back to something else and on back and on back and on back and we could you know make these people realise that this is not a chopped up piece of history but a long continuing problem. And that we have the solutions to that problem and that we’re not just a bunch of crazy guys just wanting to go back in the past. The cause that we’re advancing is very much a 21st century cause.

NT: Tennessee representative here yeah I’d definitely be in agreeance. It’s just finding the quote unquote page in each of our areas to do that. I had actually considered renting a booth at a gun show and just raising flags and having fliers and many business cards and just talking to everybody.

U1: Now that you mention that I do recall the Southern Independence party many years ago used to run advertisements in Shotgun News. That was the first time I recall seeing anything about them and you know a publication like that where you’re probably going to find like-minded people might be where you want to focus your efforts.

NT: Yup and down here in Tennessee we do have quite a few gun shows that happen from week to week or weekends. I know of at least two or three a month. We have plenty of opportunities. That’s what I’m trying to find. I’m thinking like you’re thinking that that’s a really good place to start.

U1: Yes sir.

NT: Well one, Tennessee Rep here. One question I would have is what does everybody think about the Oath keepers and do they even know very much about them?

JC: Texas is a member of the Oath keepers.

NT: Ah… Do you have anything to elaborate on the Texas Division then?

JC: Well, Sheriff Mack, he’s originally from Arizona but he had moved into Texas and he moved back to Arizona again but Sheriff Mac k he’s a friend of mine. I was running for Sheriff back in 2011 also in 2012. The election was in 2012 but I had thrown my hat into the ring in 2011 and Sheriff Mack was a pretty good a pretty big inspiration to me. There was a man in the Constitution Party; his name was Daniel New… He’s a very close friend of mine and he introduced me to Sheriff Mack and he’s the one who got me involved with the Oath Keepers.

JC:  Now, in my military experience I was military police and I was very much aware of the Oath Keepers in those days even before it was formed. I have always been a type of person who’s lived my Oath. The Constitution that is my way of life. I have spoken with a few sheriffs in the state of Texas. Not everyone, we have a lot of sheriffs in Texas. Some of the counties are very large, and then some of the counties are very small so we have if I recall we have about 126 counties in Texas. I might be off by one or two counties but it’s pretty close. I have spoken to a couple of former county sheriff’s, excuse me, they’re all with us. They have the same likes about the constitution. The same likes about the Confederacy. The state of Texas is a Confederate state. We as the state of Texas will if the time arrives we will secede. Many sheriffs in the state of Texas will back us. Of course there will be a couple that will not. I’ll name two of them. That would be the county of Dallas and the second county will be the county of Harris County that would be the Houston area which being the county of Harris County. They probably would not go along with us but if you looked at the state of Texas on a whole, we as a complete state are like minded and Dallas and the Houston area which probably really does not include the entire county of Harris but Houston is a very large part of it. The state of Texas will be seceding. I have a little bit of a conversation with Governor Perry and I’m going to tell you he is a man that is undecided. He is a Federal Governor; he is not a Confederate Governor. I’m unsure of Governor Perry. But as Governor Perry says if we secede the rest of the states such as Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, so forth and so on I don’t need to go through the entire states, I believe everyone will follow suit. Texas seems to be the number one state for the secession and everyone will follow thereafter. Well me being a representative I say we need to secede.

JC:  I have some other stuff some other business. I know this is not the right time to speak of business I will speak about business when you ask me about the business part of my discussion but I just wanted to bring this forward. I have a member here in TX I’m a little worried about. He’s gonna get us in to trouble. If I may bring his name up. His name if Tim Law. That’s T-I-M  Tim and his last name is Law L-A-W. I’m a little concerned about this man and I believe we’re gonna have a problem here. He can bring trouble not just the state of Texas; he could bring trouble to every state in the Confederacy. He is wanting to secede and bring war upon the Federal Government as of tomorrow morning. This is one of my one of my subjects I wanted to bring up when you asked me about if I have business I want to bring up. I apologise to the rest of the states for bringing up sooner before it was my turn. It’s just really really important.

NT: Yes, there is however one quick statement I needed to bring up was when you bring about the subject of secession the important part to remember is secession was already done in 1861 bringing up the Confederacy from the point it was left at with no surrender nor a peace treaty signed secession is no longer needed. All we need to do is reseat the Confederate States of America Government. We’re at an interim stage now so we’re right in between that. As soon as we reseat and get the government set up at state levels we’re already there.

JC: Yes sir, I agree and I do know about that. When I said Texas is ready to secede I realise we have already seceded and we have never joined back into the union again we are seceded and have been since 1861 with no readmission back into the union whatsoever but getting along further into this I have a problem with a member in my state. He’s a militia member. Now he claims that he is in Texas but he also claimed he was a member of the militia at Kansas. And this man is a problem as far as I can see. And you know, we all could be arrested if this man continues at what he is doing. He is wanting to

JE: Excuse me, this is James Everett. I’m looking through the records and I see no one in the state of Texas by the name Law. So whatever this man is doing is not connected to us so I really don’t see how he could possibly cause a problem for us because he can cause a problem for himself but he’s not affiliated with us. He’s not a citizen, he’s someone else out there claiming to be a militia member. If he claims to be a member of our Confederate Interim Government he’s just putting out false information because he’s not. So whatever he’s doing will come down on him and maybe his militia members but it would not affect us because we have no association with this gentleman. I mean, I’ve never heard of him. I don’t know how much you’ve spoken with him or anything but all you have to do is remind him he’s not a member of he’s not a citizen, a registered citizen and he has nothing to do with us.

JC: Yes sir, and I did and he is not recognising us.

JE: Well that’s his own problem. That would be his own problem. He can get hisself into trouble and he’s free to go ahead and do all that. We don’t acknowledge us, he’s not a part of us and whatever he does should not in any way affect us.

JC: Yes sir, Mr. Everett I agree with what you’re saying but he’s not listening to what I have to say, he’s not listening to anybody. He’s in his own set of mind. He’s wanting to attack the Federal Government he’s going to bring us all into a war and really we’re not ready for this yet but he’s moving ahead with plans. He’s got just shy of 1800 members in his group and he’s thinking he can attack the Federal government and he’s gonna do this under the Confederate States of America’s title and logo using us. Now, he’s not mentioning the interim government of course, he’s never even mentioned that part but the point is he’s gonna get us all involved and this worries me and it should worry you as well that we as a government have not given this man the ok to attack but yet he is wanting to and he has other followers sitting there saying yes, let’s attack. I’m saying no let’s not attack, let’s do this when the time is right and he’s not agreeing with us, he’s not agreeing with the Confederacy at all.

JE: Well, he’s not a problem for us because it has nothing to do with us. It’d be no different than Timothy McVay and what he did. It has nothing to do with us. The man can claim whatever he wishes and to drag us into it would be, there’s no way he could drag us into it other than using our name or whatever. Any investigation or anything would show there’s no contact with him whatsoever. I wouldn’t even speak to the man if I were you. Cause he’s not related to us in any way and anything he does will not be a part of anything we’re doing. There’s not contact with him between us and you can rest assured they’re listening to all that we do and him as well I’m certain. Even if there were it doesn’t matter because he can’t drag us into something we’re not involved in. There’s just no possible way. There would be no evidence that we were involved in it. And there’s no way he can make it seem we were. He can claim anything. Anybody can claim anything but for it to actually be reality is another situation. There’s no way he can bring us into it. Now he can make the Confederate States look bad. People do that all the time. I mean it’s everywhere and they try to claim everything. Heck they claim we want to bring back slavery. People are ridiculous. We got a lot of kooks out there, we always have had, but we just turn them out and let them go on their own merry way. This guy is on his own and whatever he does and his members will have nothing to do with us. We made it clear that we have no part in any kind of violent actions or anything. Our intentions are completely political.

MK: May I address this gentleman from Texas who has this concern?

JC: Yes, sir.

MK: This is Mark King from Kentucky again. How are you sir?

JC: Hello, how are you doing?

MK: I’m doing very well, sir. Again I hate to but in. I thank you gentleman so much for inviting me here tonight. I didn’t intend to speak, I intended to listen more, but when I heard you bring up this concern, having had experience with militia before myself, it sounds to me like this man you’re speaking of he’s either one of two things. He’s either a nut, a genuine insane person, or he is what we would call an agent provocateur saboteur.  And when you were talking about him trying to do this attack, and bringing about something that would really put us in a bad position, we would be facing armed violence. Depending on the level of your concern, sir, I would recommend maybe talking to some of these sheriffs’ departments that are friendly to us, sharing information with them. This will one, build that relationship with them even stronger with them, between us and them, reinforce in their minds that we are legal and law-abiding people, and probably prevent an incident. Maybe even a false flag incident. We don’t know what kind of plans are afoot. You know, this might be another battleship Maine we’re talking about here. So if you’re concerned about this man as much as you say it tonight and I believe that you are that’s what I would recommend. Having had to deal with that sort of stuff before here in Kentucky, we waited too late and it cost us. I would recommend going and mentioning that to some of the sheriffs.

One thing he mentioned, you said he claims to have 1800 people? I don’t know about that number. He might have them, he may very well have them but who and what they are there’s no telling. And again it could be some sort of elaborate false flag operation in the works. We don’t know.  Our cause is too precious to allow something like that to endanger it. So yes, sir, I would go ahead, if I were you, my advice, mention it to the sheriffs who are friendly to us. And say look, I’m worried about this guy.

JC: We all, we all should be worried about this nut, this man, cause he’s using the name Confederacy, the Confederate States. That includes every state that is a member of the Confederate states. Now I understand what Mr. Everett was saying, and I agree with him wholefoundedly, but we as a Confederate nation, a Confederate government, a country within our own could we have a person who will involve un into a war that we really should not be included into. He’s talking about attacking any day now. It might not be tomorrow morning, but although he did say in one of his messages that he is ready to attack tomorrow morning. Now, who is he going to attack? He’s going to attack the Federal government and these people are very well more armed than what we are. Now, speaking for myself, I don’t believe I can protect myself or my family or even anybody in my town, and I come from a small town. I’m not really ready to defend myself against Homeland Security or any other group such as National Security Agency or you name the alphabet, the CIA, the FBI or even the local sheriff’s department. There’s just too many people that I can defend myself against. The way I look at it I can take a couple of them out but they’re going take me out in the long run.

JE: Exactly

JC: But the point is, we as a group I think I can speak for the rest of us, everybody that’s here and probably those who did not log on, other states that did not log on tonight, we are all in disagreement with this man Tim Law. He is not one of us and I agree with you Mr. Everett, he is not one of us. He is a lone rogue. He’s a rogue. He’s gathered up 1800 people to follow him. They’re talking on the internet that they’re going to attack the Federal Government. This does concern us. We’re the government. We’re not giving him permission. We didn’t vote on an attack according to the legal way of congress, and we are the congress, to endorse an attack would be upon our vote as an assembly. And we have not done that but we have rogue people who are going to be doing this and we, all of us, will be in as much trouble, even though we were not involved.

JE: Ok, now

JC: I don’t want to sound

JE: I don’t want to sound flip either but how are we going to be in trouble? It’s the same as someone robbing a bank and going in and saying I’m James Everett here give me all your money. Police come to me and I explain to them or verify no it wasn’t me I wasn’t involved, I wasn’t there, I was here, wherever. There’s nothing they can do to me. It’s like… we’re always going to have these nuts. This guy is in no way associated, they can in no way associate him with us other than his claim that he is somehow a Confederate government or whatever. He’s not. He’s not a citizen. There is nothing to tie him to us. We have, there is really nothing we can do. We could post on our website and our Facebook page that we are in no way associated with this gentleman and put it out there publically, but that’s about all we can do. We’ve always had and will always have these nuts out there. They claim this or that. I mean it’s the same as the League of the South doing something. The League of the South in some (unintelligible) claims to be not the interim government or anything like that but they claim to be associated with the Confederate States of America even though they’re really not, but they use our symbols and our flags and those things like that. But whatever they do, I don’t understand how it’s going to be tied to us other than their claim, and there’s tons of people out there who claim to be Confederate citizens but are not because they’re not registered. They’re just individuals who for whatever reason… and this grandiose thing of 1800 men I highly doubt because if there was 1800 men in a militia claiming these things I believe we would have heard about it long before now.

Like I said, I don’t understand, I have no concern with it whatsoever and it’s just someone’s grandiose talk in my view. But again, even if anything were to happen there’s nothing to tie him to us other than he claims to be in the Confederacy. And the media may have a picnic with it, but they have a picnic with everything that happens, they even have a picnic claiming we’re somehow conservatives and related to the tea party.  I explain to people all the time we have nothing in relation with the tea party. And even going back to the Oath Keepers, they have an oath to adhere to the United States Constitution therefor any involvement with us kinda hinders that oath because we are totally against the US Constitution. We are loyal to the Confederate States Constitution and only loyal to that in the terms of restoring it for the purpose in my view of restoring the Articles of Confederation or something near that. We can use it to go where we want to go because it’s setting there and it’s been unchanged. The system is still the same. I’m sorry I’m going on but I don’t get it, how he can cause trouble for us.

MK: May I address the assembly again? This again to the gentleman from Texas. I have some proposals to put out before you for your consideration. One, first and foremost, I feel, suggest talking to the local sheriffs just in case this is a false flag operation. You never know, we might bust one up they’re trying to get away with. You never know so I would still go ahead and bring that to the attention of the local authorities that are friendly to us especially. Number two what I would recommend is that if this man says he’s for us then put them to the challenge. You mentioned he has these websites he’s posting on. If you can post on them, you can just ask him plain up are you serving the government of the Confederate States America or are you here fighting your own battles? And if he says I’m serving the Confederate States of America, then you say the government of the Confederate States of America of which I’m a member of, which we had an assembly meeting of last night,  and a unanimous vote has come back to tell you to stand down.  That any actions you commit to will be on your own. That’s number two. Now the third thing is something we can have a little fun with. We can say Michael Hill told you to go ahead and do it. I’m not really suggesting number three, though.

JC: I like that, sir. I will do that, but to get back onto to… to get back (unintelligible) Everett, I would like to say, I’d like to answer his question because he had asked the question on how we would be part of it and my answer to him would be three words; guilty by association. Now you would say but we’re not associated with them but that’s neither here nor there. The Federal  government. They don’t care who is associated with who. They’re looking at all of us as terrorists. Now, I wear that word … if I’m a terrorist, I’m a patriot. Ok, first of all I’m a patriot, but if you want to label me as a terrorist, well then the new word for patriot is terrorist and I wear that on my shoulder, on my sleeve, I wear that proudly.

JE: Yes, sir.

JC: Now I personally I don’t agree with this man Tim Law

JE: Oh, we understand that.

JC: Now, nothing whatsoever… Excuse me, sir?

JE: We understand that, yes sir, we know you’re not wrapped up in that.

JE and JC: (unintelligible)

NT: Speaker of the house

JE:  Now let me ask you this. Let’s say that someone goes out and claims to be a militia and says I’m a tea party member, I’m a leader, I’m one of the leaders of the tea party even though he is not a leader of the tea party, and he does something. Do you think that the Federal government is gonna come down on the tea party and go around and arrest all the whole tea party members because of something somebody claimed and did even though the tea party had no association with this gentleman other than he claimed and used their name?

JC: Yes, they have.

MK: Well the point Mr. Everett made again, (unintelligible) if I may address that, the point Mr. Everett made if really a valid point and it’s just this; if they’re that intent upon getting us, there’s nothing we can do anyway. They’re gonna make those false flag operations, the media is going to play it to the hilt, and there’s nothing we can do about that. They just have the advantage over us in that respect and there is nothing, absolutely nothing we can do. However, well, I take that back. We can do something. Go in and talk to the local authorities. That leaves a chain of evidence that we have done something to prevent this. Go in and post on this man’s public website saying stand down or you’re on your own. There again leaves a chain of evidence that we had nothing to do with it. And that’s really all we can do. We really can’t do much more than that. We can just disassociate ourselves from this man.

JE: (unintellable) One thing we could do is make a post on the website and our Facebook page. That way we’re making a preemptive strike so to speak, disassociating this gentleman and letting people know by his name that he is not a citizen of the Confederate States of America and it be posted prior to anything he might do. That would be, well other than contacting law enforcement, that would be the only thing I can really think of that we can do.

MK: Exactly

(unintellable)

NT: Mr. Everett, sir, this is Nick, Speaker of the House. I need to interject here. The point that Mr. Everett and Mr. King are making here is that those three are excellent points and this actually proves how I’ve been telling everybody, how I just mentioned contacting the county sheriffs, police officers, making yourselves known, but they know who we are so that when items like this pop up they immediately know where we stand and who these other people are and there is absolutely no relation.

JE: That’s true, and again we already have all this information on the website that everything we do, there’s nothing, everything is nonviolent, we don’t condone any violence. It’s posted on the website, has been for years. A lot of these things have come up before, not necessarily as serious as this one, but these things get us bogged down on our mission and if we spend too much time on these things then we don’t get anything accomplished and a lot of these false flag type things may just be for that purpose. Whether it does anything or not it still gets us sidetracked on our mission and what we’re doing. However, like I said, the only thing that we can do, a preemptive thing, to post this guy’s name this Confederate, this so called militia… is it called Confederate Militia? Or does he have some other name for this militia? I guess it would be better to post the name of the militia or maybe his name itself on the site. Just let them know he’s not a citizen, he’s not associated with us, anything he claims is not in our name. I don’t know of any other thing we can do on that. Other than what Mr. Talaga and Mr. King said and contact local sheriffs and let them know who we are, what we are and that type thing.

JC: Texas would like to speak.

NT: Yes, sir.

JC: I agree with what Mr. Everett has just said. I am wholeheartedly in agreement with him. To answer his question about who he’s associated with, he used to be part of the Kansas militia. They just got rid of him. They threw him out of the Kansas militia because he was not in agreement with them. They thought that he was too radical, and I agree. I’m glad Texas, excuse me, I’m glad Kansas got rid of this man because he is too radical for every state. But he is still a rogue and he’s going to make bad things upon all of us. Now I am in agreement with what Kentucky had said. Was that Mark Davis that was speaking before? For Kentucky?

NT: Mr. King

JC: King. Ok, I’m sorry. Mr. King. I apologise. Well Mr King, I agree with you. We do need to make sheriffs and other law officials aware. He moved into Texas , from what I’ve heard, he’s from Kansas and now he’s in my state, he’s in Texas. The reason why I brought this up was I needed to hear some input from the rest of the assembly. I know what I wanted to do, but I wanted to hear what the rest of the representatives had to say about this. I’m in agreement with Mr. King, we need to get a hold of the local and not just the local but the sheriff and a couple of other agencies that are involved in my particular state. And I will. That will happen. Now, I don’t want to bring this any further, we’re spend too much time on this, I guess. I really needed to bring this out to make us aware to the rest of the people that this could be happening in other states as well. This is not just Mr. Tim Law. There are a few other people who are talking the same way. I don’t have the names that would be involved but there are quite a few people that are trying to take enforcements, they’re trying to run the entire Confederate States of America like they are in charge and they don’t care about the interim government that we are involved in. There are a couple of other people that I can mention. There’s another person, his name is Barney Otis Stratton and he is the governor of the state of Oklahoma. Now I made mention to him that Oklahoma is not part of the Confederacy, that it was a territory, and that we have not endorsed Oklahoma. But Mr. Stratton, who is the governor of the provisional need I say again the provisional government… now we are the interim government … and he is the governor of the provisional government, he is a member of Mr. Tim Law. He is stating that he is in agreement with this particular person and the governor of Oklahoma. Now can I have some input on that please?

JE: (unintelligible) been around a long time. He is a kook. He is a registered citizen, but he’s just a kook, and no one’s going to listen to him. It’s much the same as we have (unintelligible) down there in Florida and I get emails from her every day almost complaining and saying we need to do something. We need to declare a no fly zone over the Confederate States of America, they’re fixing to nuke us, they’re this that and the other. They’re poisoning our waters, they’re trying to kill us all. That’s every day. She looks on the internet and she finds every single conspiracy theory possible and throws it into the Confederate States of America for us to do something. Well Barney O Stratton is the same way. He has caused trouble for every group he’s been involved with. He is most likely an agent of (unintelligible)himself because he does nothing but sow dissent and problems. He was actually invited to one of our congressional sessions one time and if you heard the man speak he’s just not very intelligent and I just don’t know how to express enough we’re going to have people out there and we just have to keep moving forward and not allow them to bog us down. And they’re gonna claim this that and the other but all we have to do is, or all we can do is just post about Barney O Stratton on the website and let everyone know he is a rogue agent or whatever we can put out there to let them know that he is not in agreement with what we are doing and he is someone outside of what we’re doing. He can claim to be the president if he wants to but that doesn’t make him the president. You know, we’re had these people around for a long time. Mr. Stratton has been around for a long time and he is just basically a nut.

MK: May I address the assembly again on this topic about Mr. Stratton?

JE: Of course.

MK: Or the types like him because I’m not familiar enough about his personal history to speak yay or nay about you know, I understand y’all have had more experiences with him than I have. However I have a recommendation to make because this situation is a little bit different because we’re still developing in Oklahoma and we certainly want to bring Oklahoma in as a state because they are southern people in Oklahoma and they are a majority and predominately a southern people in Oklahoma. Even the Indian nations in Oklahoma are descendants of Confederate Veterans for the larger part. That said, my recommendation would be that we try to find someone else that we can rely on and trust, someone who’s level headed, intelligent, and will do the right job the right way, to work the state of Oklahoma and let Mr. Stratton be a tin horn dictator, you know, and let him say and claim and do whatever he’s going to do but with our people there we will be doing the real work which is gaining new members, getting new citizens to sign up and building organisation in that state so that a provisional or an interim government for the state of Oklahoma will be ready to come in and even petition for admittance to the Confederacy. Make that a part of business. So my recommendation there is just that. To get our own people that we can trust to work the state of Oklahoma on our behalf and let Mr. Stratton do whatever he’s gonna do.

JC: Yes, sir, I agree, this is Texas again. I agree with what you’re saying, but to not listen to what’s going on and to allow these other people to think that they can take over , that they are in charge, that they can gather an army, that they can become a governor of a state , that they can say they are looking for a man to become president and then they’re asking for people to come forward… cause this is what I’ve been reading… Mr. Stratton is looking for a person that he can put forward as the next president of the Confederacy. Now he would not be a president under the interim government, he would become a president under the provisional government. Now, I’m not going to vote for that. I’m gonna be against it. I assume, and you know what they say about assume, but I would assume that none of us here that are present tonight and even those who are not present tonight would acknowledge this. I’m against it. And I hope and pray that my fellow colleagues as yourselves, everyone’s that listening here, I know there’s not very many representatives here tonight, only five or six of us tonight, I’ve only heard from about three of us tonight and there is others that are sitting on the side line that need to get involved. I need to hear from you too.  So do the rest of us. We all need to hear from everybody instead of just being quiet. This is all of us, it has to do with the entire Confederacy. We are the representatives of our states. What are you going to do about everything I have brought up and I got more. I’ve got a list here. I got nine agendas on my list. I’ve only mentioned two so far. I still got seven more. And I still have not been asked, “Well, Texas, do you have anything you’d like to speak about?” I kinda worked this in on my own without anyone asking me what I had to say. We all need to speak. Every one of us. We’re all representatives of our states. I might be outspoken but I am the largest state. I am the largest state. I got a lot of people. Thirty eight million people in my state that I represent. I’m a concerned representative. I want everyone in the other states to feel the same anger of what I feel because this is going on. Oklahoma is my neighbouring state. It’s right next to me. Mr. Stratton, Barney Otis Stratton, he’s my neighbour. It affects me more than it might affect you but it affects you whether you’re in Georgia, or Kentucky, or Alabama, or whatever state you’re from in the south. It affects all of us. I’m not one to just say “oh, well” and “let’s just let it go”. No, I can’t do that. Mr. Everett, your friend, your colleague, I love you, you’re my friend. But I have to disagree with you on certain things. I can’t just let it go and say well why is this man saying what he’s saying and he’s using our name when we are all involved in guilty by association. So we might not go to jail over it but we are all for the same purpose. Now if I’m speaking out of line, please let me know.

JE: Well you’re not speaking out of line, but the thing is if you want to deal with these people like this, you’re gonna spent you’re whole time chasing yourself around and around in circles. You’re gonna be arguing with these guys and never getting anything accomplished cause they’re gonna keep you bogged down. That’s what they do. They’ve done it to everyone in the past and it doesn’t get us anywhere. And as far as representatives, you’re representing those who have registered. You cannot represent those who have not recognised you yet. So as far as what the representative represents, you represent those who have chosen to restore the Confederate States of America. Those others are in a way as foreigners because they have not recognised us yet. You can’t represent those who do not want you to represent them yet or who have no interest in what we’re doing. Granted the majority of them have no idea that we’re here yet, but we cannot represent those who do not recognise us as an entity or as an interim government. So we have to kinda take a look at what we’re really doing and what we’re doing is gathering citizens and working to restore our Confederate States of America government. But we can’t, we have no authority to tell Barney Otis Stratton what he can and can’t do because we have no law enforcement of our own that we can go arrest Mr. Stratton for inciting a riot or anything else or any of these other people. We don’t have that authority. All we can do is let everyone know we are not associated with those people even though they claim to be associated with us and they do, they will do that and there is nothing we can do to stop that. We’ve had this before where we’ve gone round and round and round. We’ve had Duane Ward, you’ve had Barney Otis Stratton in the past, we’ve had that other gentleman from Texas who’s name I forget right off the top of my head, but he’s had youtube clips claiming to be the interim government using our name claiming to have known me for a long time when I’ve never met the man and different things like that.

JC: Are you talking about Charlie Goodson?

JE: Yeah, Charlie Goodson who claimed to be the New Confederate Army and all these things. Look, we’ve always had these… and we’ve had Kevin Pierce out of Missouri. He had a militia but his militia was nationwide supposedly and that’s not how militia operates, not nationwide. That becomes and army not a militia. And he claimed all this and claimed to be the governor of Missouri. And there’s really nothing much we can do about it. But he claimed to, he made all these different claims that are just not true. He claims he was elected, no. There’s never been an election held in Missouri. So there’s nothing we can do about these gentlemen other than, I really feel like ignore them. Because if we continue to confront them, that’s all we’re gonna do. We’re gonna argue around and around in circles and never get anywhere with what we’re doing. I don’t know what else to say and I understand you don’t agree with me and that’s fine, that’s just my opinion, and the other representatives will have theirs. And you’re right, they need to speak up and be heard on this issue but I can’t do anything about these people. Just they’re there and they’re gonna be.

JC: If I may say one more thing, and I will be quiet for a while until I have something else to say about a different topic, but pertaining to the same topic, how can we be quiet? I personally cannot ignore a person who is making himself a governor of a state whether it be Oklahoma or Missouri, and they’re not legitimate. How can I ignore that? How can anybody ignore that? That is a major topic of which this assembly needs to speak about. I cannot ignore this, I’m sorry. I’m not sorry. Excuse me. I am not sorry. I cannot ignore this. You can’t either. None of us can.

MK: May I address the gentleman from Texas?

JC: Yes, sir.

MK: Thank you. I don’t think any of us are suggesting we ignore this. I think the best thing we can do is, as Mr. Everett very correctly stated, there are limitations to what we have power to do. So we have to live with that. Now, what we can do, and this certainly isn’t ignoring the situation, I think it is addressing the problem in the most positive way, is to again find people we can trust, people we can work with, people we know are of good character to begin working that state and building those memberships up for our organisation. And what I suggest then is that we take over the state of Oklahoma before Mr. Stratton can with our good people. We get all the memberships and he can call himself the king of Oklahoma for all the good it’s gonna do him. But he won’t have the people behind him. We’ll have the people. He won’t have the people.  And that’s where it’s at. And that’s where our focus should always, always be. Getting the people.

JC: Yes sir, yes sir.

MK: We got out there and we get them bodies and we get them signatures on those citizenship application forms. The more we do that, the more we’re winning. (unintelligible)

JC: May I ask a question? This is Texas asking again. Are we a legitimate government?

JE: To answer your question, yes. We are legitimate (unintelligible) those who have chosen to become Confederate registered Confederate Citizens. We are legitimate to those people. That doesn’t mean we are legitimate to everyone in Texas, to everyone in Tennessee, to everyone in Oklahoma, to everyone in Kentucky. We are only legitimate to those who have chosen, they have taken that step, to exercise their freedom of political will. In that freedom of political will, they have chosen us as their representatives or not by vote because we are each appointed volunteers, but they have chosen to recognise what we are doing to restore the Confederate government and therefore they have chosen to recognise us as a legitimate government under occupation and that occupation is where we’re limited on what we can do because we are under occupation.  It’s like tonight, we’ve spent all this time, I don’t want to say wasting time because it’s important, we all need to understand certain things. But we’ve spent this time on Barney Otis Stratton and this Mr. Law when there’s so many things that need to be done. We need to be putting ourselves out there letting people know who we are and if we spend all our time arguing about Barney Otis Stratton and Mr. Law and all these things then we’ll never get anywhere. It’s been going on for years. That’s why we’re not further along than we are because we’ve had and I’ve tried to break away all these different organisations because they all want to vein(?) for a spot in control within the interim government through their organisational plans rather than just simply being individual citizens and that’s what we have to have and we can’t have groups or militias and that’s why on the website it states we support no political organisations or well regulated entities because we can’t support the militias or any of the rest of it. Those are their own little entities, their own little groups. It doesn’t matter what they call themselves, they are not the interim government. And I just don’t know anything else to say because we have no authority do anything to stop these gentlemen other than to… if they’re actually putting this out there, and I can’t believe they’re putting this out there on the internet without the United States Government, and I don’t call it a federal government because it’s not a federal government, but the National Government of the United States and NSA not keeping track of what they’re doing and saying on the internet, if they’re saying these things and they’ll know who they are and what they’re doing. And they’ll know each individual and they will know the (unintelligible) is not there and we’re not a member of that group, we don’t endorse that group, we have nothing to do with their group no matter what their group claims to be so we have so much to do other than chasing phantoms around all the time because I really truly think that those groups have been put out there to keep us from getting anywhere, to keep us going round and round and round in circles arguing all the time. That’s why all these groups, many of them, and they’ve all been put out to rest for the most part. I mean, they’re still there, but they’re not bothering up with our time and arguing back and forth to the point we don’t get anything accomplished. That’s why we are finally moving forward. Cause we put them to rest and let them go out on their own merry way to do as they choose because wehave no authority to stop him from doing as they choose. So we need to stay focused on the restoration if they want to go out and attack whoever then they’ll get their come upins, they’ll have no association whatsoever with us and they will find themselves in a penitentiary somewhere or Guantanamo for all I care because they’re not associated with us and they’re just troublemakers.

JC: Yes, sir. On a temporary basis, Texas will rest. I have no more to say for the time being.  So Texas rests.

NT: Ok, Speaker of the House here. I’ll go back to one quick point I had on my section of the floor there. I do have a gentleman who is looking to be a regional representative in the West Tennessee area. Just waiting on his application to be received and processed. The way I’m looking to handle a lot of issues like that or getting the word out or making the Confederacy known to all the Southern citizens is through multiple contact points west representative, central representative, eastern representative and if I have to go all the way down to Chattanooga setting one up out there too as well. That’s about all I had wrapped up on that end. Now, as Speaker of the House, Mr. Chisolm, Texas representative, I would urge strongly if you feel a couple of these gentlemen are honest or should I say true with their threats and have an ability to carry them through, like’s been stated several times, contact local police, sheriff, people that you know are in agreeance on our terms that you can honestly contact as the Texas Representative of the Confederate States of America interim government and say “hey. I think this gentleman could be a threat not only to himself but people around him”. Simply put that way.

JC: Yes, sir. And like I said

NT: Mr. Chisolm, I was going to give you the floor at this point.

JC: Yes, sir. The only thing… This is Texas. The only thing I have to say is we’ve already been through a lot of this. I agree with some of it. I disagree with parts of it. I’m gonna go ahead and rest. I’m not going to pursue this at this particular time. But in the future if this comes back up again in my jurisdiction because it already has, I will bring it up again because of the simple fact of it needs to be taken care of. We need the people who are trying to take over the Confederacy, they think that we don’t exist they are trying to form new governments. If we are the legitimate government then we need to be the government. This is all I’ve been saying the entire night. We are the government. I personally do not recognise these other governments that are being started without our acknowledgment. If we are the government we are the government. If we’re not the government then why are we wasting our time?

JE: My question to you is Mr. Chisolm, what would you suggest that we do? What is your suggestion that we do? (unintelligible due to someone coughing on the line)we have our citizens, if they gain citizens then  surely those citizens will recognise them but I in my personal view knowing Barney Otis Stratton is never gonna go anywhere which is why it’s not worth wasting my time over cause he’s never gonna gain any citizenry. He might gain 5, 10 people but he’s never going to get anywhere because no one is gonna take him seriously cause he’s a fool. However, at this point, what do you suggest as a government that we do? To address this situation. I mean, what would your suggestion be?

JC: Ok. Mr. Everett? With all due respect.

JE: Yes sir?

JC: He has around 1200 followers. 1200. If you get on Facebook you’ll see he’s got about 1200 followers. I might be off about 10 or 20 people, it might be 1180 followers but I just rounded it out. But the point is these people are with him. They’re following him. He’s forming a government. He does not recognise the interim government as what we are. He doesn’t recognise us. We don’t recognise him. So there should be some sort of a battle. I seem to be the only one who’s battling this. I don’t recognise him. And I know you don’t recognise him also. I realise that point but what we need to do is put him into his place. So how do we put him into his place? He can hurt us. How can we put him into his place is the question? How do we go about, you know, strapping his leg? Well, you know? As a youngin my father used to strap the back of my leg. And when he did that I stopped what I was doing and paid attention.

You know, the people who are following him are nothing but followers. Now you, me, every representative in each of these states we’re all leaders. We’re not followers.  We’re leaders. We’re representatives. In all actuality we are the governors of our states. Because we are the representatives. We’re the governors. Now, me personally in my state I speak to a few but I don’t speak to everybody. Like I said, I think we got between 36 and 38 million people in Texas but I have spoke to many. Not a lot, but many. I have people that are coming in there, becoming citizens. Now, I have given out quite a bit of applications. I have also told some people how to get the applications for those I was not able to hand an application to. I am trying to gather up citizens here in Texas. Yes we are strong by numbers. You said the only thing that we can do is to gather citizens. Well I agree. And that’s what I am trying to do. But I see a lot of people who are bucking us. That’s bucking with a “B”. They’re bucking us and we need to confront these people. Now you asked me how would we go about doing this. Well, to be honest sir, I do not have an exact answer. It’s something that we’re all going to have to come into agreement with. I want to talk to you. I want to talk to every representative. We all need to be in agreement and that is why we are having this meeting tonight! What are we sitting here having an old boys convention here, the good old boys? Excuse me. We need to come into agreement. This is a meeting.

JE: I think we are in agreement that there isn’t anything that we can do. We’re in agreement we don’t recognise these guys and there’s been suggestions offered on what we can do. But that’s what I’m asking you, what do you think we can do beyond what’s already been suggested because I don’t know what else we can do. We can confront Barney Otis Stratton, we can get Facebook and the internet and we can all make fools of ourselves arguing back and forth about who’s the greatest, who’s who and who’s what. We’ve done that in the past. I’ve seen it done and all it does is make everyone look like fools because you’ll get a bunch of people on there then they’ll start cussing back and forth and arguing back and forth and nothing gets accomplished because it makes us look like a bunch of divided fools running around looking like bozo the clown. The only thing that has been offered for suggestions on what we can do… we’re in agreement that these guys are nuts. They’re a problem. But other than what’s already been suggested that we can do, I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking you what more do you think we can do because I don’t know of anything else. None of the other representatives that I listened to have offered anything else except for a couple of suggestions on what we can do. So beyond those suggestions, what do you suggest that we do because we can’t go beat him up. We can’t go arrest him. We can’t do anything to him other than let local officials know there might be trouble coming from those guys, and they’re not associating with us and maybe putting something on our website we’re not associated with them. But other than that I don’t know what you want us to do. That’s why I’m asking you what you suggest that we do beyond what’s already been suggested?

JC: Well, there’s an old saying. You keep your friends close and you keep your enemies closer. That’s a big important statement right there. Now, I’ve heard you speak, of course I’ve been doing a lot of the speaking throughout the evening tonight. I’ve been speaking for an hour and thirty minutes. Now, as far as the other representatives, I haven’t heard very many others speak. They don’t have a suggestion themselves. I do have a suggestion. Like I said, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Now, as far as I’m concerned these people that are wanting to either start a war or start a new government, or become a governor… they don’t have the same like- minded agreement which we have. And that’s why I asked you earlier and I’m going to ask you again, are we the legitimate government? Now as far as I know when Jefferson Davis, when President Jefferson Davis, when he was the president he got elected in there by interim governments. The provisional government wasn’t even put into place then. The provisional government was put into place by Yankees after the end of the civil war. They started taking out all of the interim governors that were placed in power by each state by the interim government and the provisional government was taking over each state. They came into Texas. That is the exact reason why the Texas Rangers was started; to go after the Confederacy, to go after the Confederate soldiers that refused to end the war so the Texas Rangers were formed. That was formed under the provisional government. Now, I for one… I’m a Texan. I’m from Texas. I’m not from anywhere else. I believe in my state. I believe in my people, my friends, my relatives. My last name is Chisolm. Although my family originated in Tennessee, although my family actually originated in Scotland, but my family came to the United States and settled in Tennessee. We moved into Texas and started our family here. Now I got family in many states but my main state is actually Tennessee. That would be Nick Talaga’s state. Talaga? Am I pronouncing that correctly?

NT: Talaga

JC: I’m sorry, can you say that again?

NT: Talaga

JC: Talaga. I’m sorry. I apologise for mispronouncing your name but my family comes from your state, Tennessee. That’s where most of my family lives at! But I live here in Texas now. We’ve lived here approximately 153 years. My family has lived here in Texas. I am not going to allow… I am not going to allow my state to be misrepresented.  I’m a representative. I’m going to do everything in my power to represent my people, whether they are citizens or not. I’m gathering citizens as we speak and just to say that I only represent the citizens that have registered… well that’s not a very large number. And not to be acknowledged by the ones who aren’t citizens… well you know what? The revolutionary war was fought with only one third of the representation. The civil war was fought with only one sixth of the representation. So, you have to have believers. You have to have people that want to stand for something. I stand for something. I refuse to allow another individual to try to form another government. And that is what these people are trying to do. Are you not going to stop this? Are you…I rest.

NT: Speaker of the house here. Mr. Chisolm?

JC: Yes, sir

NT: As far as what I’m getting from your statements there, I believe we’re all at about that same point. We do only represent the Confederate citizens of our state, but yet we do aspire and care for the rest of the citizens of our state that may not even know about us and we have a duty to do what’s best in the form of liberty for everyone in that state, in the same position. So I personally as the Tennessee representative well understand what you’re saying but we’ve given you three solid options. Contacting the county sheriff, putting on our site distancing ourselves from him, as well as contacting him to stand down on his site if he claims to be a citizen. So there’s three major directives there. So it’s not doing nothing.

JC: Yes, sir. May I speak now? I agree I will do all of the above. I will do what you just said. But that’s not the end of it. We all need to be doing something, not just the state of Texas. It concerns us all and until everybody realises that, there’s no end. There’s really no end to this. I can say I’ll end it right now and never speak about it again. But is that really the end of it? No. What that does is open up a door because nobody’s speaking about it from this point on because I said ok I won’t speak about it anymore. That means these people are weak. We can continue and get stronger. Like I said, ok I will contact those three options you gave me. So let’s forget that. That will happen. Let’s move on to the other points. Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Did I leave any state out? If I did I apologise. I think I covered them all. Every one of us…oh, I left Missouri. I’m sorry, Missouri. I did forget a state. And Kentucky, I left two states out.  We all needing to address this. Silence is not an option. But you know what?

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JC: Excuse me sir?

MD: Mark Davis from Kentucky. I am starting to resent you thinking I’m sitting here on my hind end not doing a blessed thing. I am out here every day harping on this and until you win the hearts and minds of people in this country you’re not going to make a darn difference. If you want to make a difference, get out and knock on doors. Just a second, I am not done, I am just composing myself. But we in 15 years I have been associated with tryin to liberate the south, we have always had differences of opinion of all kinds of people. One of major major downfalls is southerners cannot get together and throw off the yoke of oppression. They sit around, everyone with their own little tandems, and their own little (unintelligible) and until we all stand shoulder to shoulder, you’re not gonna get one thing accomplished. That is what we need (unintelligible) growing, letting everybody else fall by the wayside when they can’t keep up. I’ve said my say. Thank you.

JC: Yes, sir.

NT: Here, here

JC: May I speak? Texas wants to speak to the Kentucky representative.

MD: Go ahead.

JC: Kentucky? Mark Davis, sir? You’re a friend of mine, I’ve been on the telephone with you. I respect you. I would never disrespect you. You’re a friend of mine. And I hope to be a friend of the rest of the states. We together, and believe me I never meant to disrespect you, singling you out. I mentioned every state. All 15 states. There used to be 13 states in the Confederacy. We’ve now entered Arizona and New Mexico which now makes it 15 states. And if I recall I did mention everybody. I did not single Kentucky out. As far as you personally doing anything, I didn’t say you didn’t do anything but earlier I did say I didn’t hear the rest of the states that were online getting involved in what was being said. Now to some people, this might not be an important matter. To me, it is an important matter. We got people out there that are trying to form their own government. And I don’t know how I can make this so important. I don’t know how to stress this point. When you got other governments trying… I mean, I don’t know what they’re calling themselves. For all I know they could be calling themselves the Communist States of the Confederate States of America. Or they could be calling themselves The Socialist States of the Confederate States of America. I don’t really know what they’re trying to call themselves. They’ve never actually put a name to it. But it should mean a lot to every one of us. And sir, and Mr. Davis, I didn’t single you out because I had no reason to single you out. I apologise to you if I offended you because there was no offense meant. I would never have done that. How could I possibly offend you? You’re a friend of mine. We are like minded. We think a lot alike. We’ve spoken before. I can never offend you. I rest.

MD: To me, the thing about it was when I was involved the (unintelligible) in the state of Kentucky, yes I (unintelligible) back then the ground was not as fertile as it is today. Today we have a golden opportunity to actually get out and make a difference and we have to deal with people that are trying to dilute our efforts, fragmenting everything. To me what has always been a way of life but what we have to do is get out and outgrow them. We have to be able to provide a viable alternative for everybody that is doing something different and then what we would get is to go one on one with them where we can explain our history and that they have been lied to (unintelligible, low audio) and then we would have to work harder to keep from being diluted and… that’s about it.

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JE: I’m in agreement with Mr. Davis. It’s a matter of us outgrowing them which I just… this situation with Craig Moss (?) and Bill Patterson when they tried to start their own government and their own website and all we did was outgrow them. And that’s what we have to do. We wasted, I don’t want to say wasted, spent this whole night on this one issue right here and the thing I wanted to get done or see done was the confirmation of Mr. King as a justice for the Confederate States of America. Well, that is growing. See, we’ve been stalled out by these nuts out there and they’re always going to be doing this if we spend all our time on these nuts we’re never gonna go anywhere. We’re gonna stay right at the level they are. Without outgrowing them. And that’s what happened tonight. I also want to address the Georgia representative and find out if Miss Reno has received the citizenship application I sent to her… I mean… the application… my mind, I’ve lost the thought… the application… anyway, I sent her the programme, I’m sorry, the application programme. I wanted to see if she had received it because Georgia has started a… from my understanding is in possession of, has their own seal now. The state of Georgia. I wanted to see if she had all that because the first of the year hopefully they’ll be processing their own citizenship papers for Georgia instead of the central registration department doing that but those are the two things I wanted to get taken care of tonight. I guess we can hold off on the confirmation hearing till the next session or whatever for Mr. Davis and get that done at another time. But anyway, Mr. Townsend, can you answer that question, did she, do you know if she received the programme or not?

PT: Sir if she has, she hasn’t told me. I will contact her and find out. But yes she does have a seal.

JE: Ok, I sent her the programme… actually I sent her two different ones… and explained to her Georgia is free to make whatever application modifications they want because it is a state issue and the only thing that the central registration department is really interested in once the state takes over their own is that we make sure the numbers are correct and we follow a certain numerical order on the numbers and whenever she lets me know I’ll get with her on that because like I said, y’all are free to create your own applications, you’re free to modify the one that I sent her, the two I sent to her. The only thing that’s important like I said for us is the number because that’s the… the certificate itself is just for purposes of people so they will have their own number, can keep that certificate so like it’s a voter registration card. It has their registration number on it and y’all can make it as fancy or not as fancy as you like. It’s for basically posting on the wall. The number is the only important thing. But I’ll rest at that because pretty soon I’m gonna have to get off the phone, but anyway that all the business I really had. If we can maybe at the next session discuss Mark King’s confirmation for Justice on the Constitutional Court. I’ll rest now.

NT: Tennessee representative here. I was urging some of the current Confederate citizens to get creative and start designing their own Confederate IDs. And there’s actually a contact we may have in Kentucky to manufacture them. Mr. Everett were you referring to Mr. King? For Chief Justice?

JE: Yes sir. Not as Chief Justice, just as a justice. I mean, it doesn’t matter, that we can adjust later. I mean, if he wants to seek Chief Justice that’s fine, but for now I’m just looking to get him confirmed as a justice.

NT: That’s what I was… since we got him here, one that that I wanted to discuss as far as Mr. King, if I could address you a moment…

MK: Yes sir?

NT: One thing I definitely have to make clear as far as going for a confirmation for a justice is we’d definitely be clear that would be a priority above any other affiliates, so to speak.

MK: Yes sir. I understand that, yes sir.

NT: Chief Justice Everett, would it be too soon to bring forth a confirmation? To vote on?

JE: I’m sorry, but that’s up to the representatives, not up to the justices. I mean, you guys will be the ones confirming it so if you guys feel comfortable with confirming him based on what he said, on his involvement tonight that’s up to you guys. And like I said if you all feel comfortable going ahead to vote that’s fine. If you want to wait and do it next time around and have more questions for him… that’s all up to you guys as the representatives.

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MK: Speaker, may I address the assembly?

NT: Yes sir

MK:  Gentleman it may be advisable to put this off to another occasion to another time when you can each ask me questions and speak to me about this matter and we won’t be rushing into anything would be fine with me and I would have one question… Mr. Talaga of course putting it to me that this would take precedence, I understand that, but I would also, I would ask the question I would also be able to participate in recruitment activities with the representative of Kentucky, correct?

NT: Yes sir

MK: I’d be able to participate in those activities? I’d be able to recruit members and stuff like that?

NT: Oh, yes. Definitely.

MK: Ok, good

JC: Texas would like to speak.

NT: Yes sir

JC: Yes sir, what state are you from, Mr. King?

MK: I’m from Kentucky, sir.

JC: From Kentucky, thank you, sir. I’d like to vote on you, I have no problem with that, it’s just I’d like to find out about you of course I know it’s just a matter of

MK: I was born in Glasgow, Kentucky in 1963. I grew up in Burkesville, Kentucky near the Tennessee State line. My dad is from Celina, Tennessee  so part of my family is from Tennessee and my mother’s people from up here in Kentucky. I always like to tell people if I can say anything I’m 100% Southern because all of my ancestors going back to the 1600s landed in Virginia or what eventually became North Carolina and moved westward. I jokingly say there’s no Mayflower in my blood veins. So anyway, yes sir. I was born and raised in Kentucky.

JC: Yes sir. We all would like to know a lot about you. If you’re going to be a justice (unintelligible)

MK: Exactly which is why I suggested… Yes sir, exactly which is why I recommended, I was even suggesting what Mr. Everett suggested if you gentlemen want to put this off to another session that would be great, I could just dial back in the next time and you can talk to me all you want you can question me all you will. If I’m a man you’d like to put on the court.

JC: How much time do we have left in this session? Do we have another hour or what? I’m not sure how much time we have left. We shut down right now or we still have time?

NT: Well, speaker of the house here. I always try to arrange around four hours just in case we have overflow. Normally they run around… sessions roughly run about an hour and a half max two hours but sometimes some people have to wrap up earlier but if I were to give a…. a… what’s the word I’m looking for? A plan here, if I could have Mr. King give us his phone number and everyone could write it down between now and the next session in two weeks minus a day because it is Friday that everybody give him a call and talk to him. That way we could bring up any kind of motions, the first motion, then the second motion, then vote from that point.

JC: Well, we’ve only been on the phone for two hours. That’s why I was asking. Can we come to a decision in two hours?

NT: I mean, honestly myself …

Mac: Let me interrupt for a second gentlemen, this is Mississippi. We’ve been on the phone for two hours basically talking about the same subject. I am wore out and my phone is beeping dead. I will talk to y’all later. Nick, send me an email with the guy’s phone number. Thank you, good night.

NT: Ok, we lost Mr. MacDonald due to the battery so I guess we’ll have to distribute the phone numbers and run this. Everyone will have to contact Mr. King and ask him all the questions they want between now and two weeks. Two weeks. We’ll reset and all the emails will get sent out.

JC: What would his phone number be?

MK: I have two phone numbers you can reach me by. Through the week it’s area code xxx-xxx-xxxx. That’s through the week. That’s my cell phone number. Let me give that again in case someone missed it. Area code xxx-xxx-xxxx. On weekends Friday after 6 o’clock I can be reached at this number. Area code xxx-xxx-xxxx.

JE: I don’t know but it might be easier to give your email address and everyone email you and you can respond at your leisure rather than by phone… I don’t know how convenient it is to be on the phone at times. I was thinking the email might be a better way of contacting and asking questions.

MK: And email They’ll have a permanent record of my replies as well and they can refer back to… that might be a good idea. My email is xxxxxx_xxxxxx@yahoo.com.

JC: (Repeats email to verify) This is Texas again. I’d like to apologise for taking so much time tonight. I didn’t want to have to do that. I felt there was a lot involved in what I was saying so if y’all would excuse me and accept my apology I just wanted to try to conduct business and I felt that was part of business. But I apologise.

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JE: Sir, that’s what the meeting is for and that was part of business. You felt concerned with it and you did the right thing by bringing it up and bring it up again if need be. You know, that’s what sessions are for.

JC: I just didn’t want to take away from Mark King’s being confirmed. I didn’t want to do that. I’m sorry and I apologise to you sir, Mr. Mark King I apologise to you.

MK: Oh that’s no problem, sir. We’ll get there. You had to speak your conscience and that’s your duty to your state and there’s no problem. I can wait.

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JC: It’s not just my state. I’m a representative of my state but at the same time I’m a representative of the entire Confederate States of America as well. And each of us are should feel the same way. We are all representatives of the Confederate States of America not just our state. And I feel a strong… I feel strongly rather I’m sorry… I strongly feel that concern. I apologise to you sir, Mr. Mark King I wish we had more time.

MK: No apology necessary.

JC: Well I just wanted to tell you. That’s all I have to say.

MK: I appreciate that and I thank you and I appreciate that but again no apology necessary. We have our business to conduct and I can wait to the next time.

JC: That’s why I was trying, after I finished my stuff I wanted to see if we could try to get it on the way cause we still have two more hours I didn’t understand why we couldn’t spend two more hours I think we could have… look, I got confirmed in five minutes. Why couldn’t we confirm you in two hours?

MK: They had a little more opportunity to get to know you better and I think this is the first time people have even heard me or have even heard my name even get comfortable with who I am and what I’m about and learn a little more about me before they make such a decision as that.

NT: Tennessee representative here. The justices and then higher up chief justices it’s a very serious decision cause that does affect Confederate Constitutional law. If there’s any hesitation within anybody on making a decision on that it’s more important to gather more information to speak with the gentleman more then make an educated vote from there.

JC: Mr. King sir, this is Texas again, I will be calling you speak to you pretty soon and thank you for all your information. I rest

NT: Very well, at this point does anyone have any further comments or anything on the some of the new business? I believe we have all of Mr. King’s information. If anyone hasn’t got it they can call me I can forward any information that way by phone. Unfortunately right now I do not have internet. I’m still waiting. Were there any further comments or new business? Do we have a motion to close the meeting at this time?

JC: Texas says ok, yes, we have a motion to close the meeting.

SC: Arkansas seconds

NT: Ok we have the instructions there for Mr. King. Everybody needs to contact him I would hope that Mr. Texas take some of the suggestions we’ve given out and all is taken care of on that. As far as the next meeting, it will be two weeks minus a day so that we can set it back up on Thursday. I do not have a calendar in front of me but I will send out the email notification. So at this time, God Bless. Deo Vindice.